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From Medicine to Coffee: Dr. Louis Bolman's Mission to Redefine Collagen, Health, and Confidence

16 October 2025 · 49 min

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Collagen Coffee From a Doctor: Dr. Louis Bolman on Medicine, Confidence and Building a Brand

Collagen coffee made by a medical doctor: Dr. Louis Bolman explains why he thinks most collagen products fall short, and why he added vitamins and minerals to help the body use it. He sits down with Randy Lorensen and Anthony Marino.

Dr. Bolman grew up in Mexico City, trained in Austria, Germany and Switzerland, and practices in Guadalajara. He comes from three generations of healers, and his grandmother was an herbalist. He talks about blending conventional and natural medicine, and what he thinks the U.S. misses about kids, diet and food additives.

The conversation ranges widely, from food deserts and corn subsidies to presidential biographies, the Alamo seen from the Mexican side, and George Washington. Then it comes back to the product: the hosts try the coffee on the show, and Dr. Bolman explains the third-party lab test, the plan to reach shelves through a national distributor, and why, for him, collagen is really about confidence and self-esteem.

He also flips houses in San Antonio, and he closes with a Henry Ford quote for anyone starting something new.

Does Collagen Work? Collagen Coffee Benefits and Getting a Product to Market

What you'll discover:

  • Why Dr. Bolman thinks most collagen falls short, and the vitamins and minerals he added
  • What he learned training in Austria, Germany and Switzerland
  • Three generations of healers, and blending conventional and natural medicine
  • Taking a new product to market: a lab test, a national distributor and the Costco goal
  • Why collagen, for him, is about confidence and self-esteem
  • Presidential biographies, Texas history from a Mexican perspective, and flipping houses

This episode is for educational purposes only and isn't medical advice.

Timestamps

  • [00:00] Welcome: Randy and Anthony with Dr. Louis Bolman and his collagen coffee
  • [00:31] What's different: vitamins and minerals to help collagen absorb
  • [00:46] From Mexico City to medical training in Austria, Germany and Switzerland
  • [01:41] What he learned from European clinics
  • [02:23] His practice in Guadalajara, and three generations of healers
  • [03:55] Blending traditional and natural medicine
  • [04:09] Where the U.S. misses the boat: kids, diet and artificial additives
  • [05:44] ADHD, autism and food dyes
  • [07:05] Phones, screens and parenting
  • [09:36] Food deserts, and whether change is coming
  • [10:41] The childhood vaccine schedule (guest and host opinions)
  • [13:44] RFK Jr., and why the junk is in our food
  • [16:46] Incentives: corn subsidies and the Iowa caucus
  • [20:53] Reading presidential biographies: Andrew Jackson and the central bank
  • [23:27] A Mexican perspective on U.S. history, Texas and the Alamo
  • [26:42] Respecting your elders, and what history teaches
  • [28:55] Why collagen, and why most collagen products fall short
  • [30:47] Trying the collagen coffee on the show
  • [33:16] Does the formula really make a difference? A third-party lab test
  • [34:07] Go-to-market: a national distributor, Costco and single-serve packets
  • [37:24] Why collagen matters to a doctor: confidence and self-esteem
  • [39:12] Messaging, social media and influencers
  • [42:20] The Founding Fathers, George Washington and Mount Vernon
  • [45:06] Where to get the product
  • [46:13] Flipping houses in San Antonio
  • [48:10] Parting advice: Henry Ford, and wrap-up

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About Dr. Louis Bolman

Dr. Louis Bolman is a medical doctor from Mexico City who practices in Guadalajara. He trained in Austria, Germany and Switzerland and comes from a family of healers going back three generations. He created a collagen coffee sold through Bolmann Brothers.

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[00:07] welcome back to Tales of Abundance. I am here with Anthony Marino again today and uh we have a guest Louis Bolman who has some very interesting coffee and uh Louis is a medical doctor from Guadalajara, Mexico and has a business that's based here in the States uh selling coffee. And so tell us we're we'll come back to the coffee. just give the listeners a real quick what what is different about this coffee? — Thanks for having me. The difference is the formula. It has uh customized vitamins and minerals to help collagen be absorbed. Not a single collagen out there in the market has it. It's the only one. — Okay. So, okay. So, that's where we're going. Folks, let me let's let's go back to the beginning. You're from Guadalajara, Mexico. — I am. — You you were born and raised there. — Actually, I'm from Mexico City. — Okay. But I have lived in many — Austria, uh, Germany, Switzerland. — Okay. Well, let's let's unpack that for a minute. What what what took you out of all those countries?

[01:08] — Well, I'm a medical doctor. Uh, but I did further studies in terms of uh many many things as a doctor in Vienna, Austria. Also, I went to Berlin, Germany to the biggest hospital. It's called the Shahit. It's it's a fancy hospital. Um, also I went to a lovely clinic in southern Germany, the Mikit. It's in German. I mean, — Uh, and that's that's it. I I learned so many things in in Europe. — Yeah. What how long were you over there — Uh, about uh 18 months, I guess. — Okay. What you I mean, so many give us an example. What are some of those things you learned like what what were your big takeaways? — It's it's a great question. You you see everybody in the staff is so professional. I have never seen that ever in my entire life. — Are you talking Germany and Austria now in particular? Yeah. — Yeah. And they have in Austria at the uh main hospital they have two helicopters, two choppers like you guys say just to bring patients in immediately — if they have a heart attack, a a stroke, you name it. They they just fly the helicopter to the to the location and bring the patient in. It it's it's — Better than an ambulance, — I guess. So, — yeah. No traffic jams.

[02:23] — No traffic jams. Okay, cool. Um, and then you started you opened your practice in Guadalajara, — right? Are Okay. And how long how long have you had that actively — for around two 12 years now? — 12 years. Okay. And and a general — Yeah, I am. — But you mentioned that you have kind of converted. You're a little more what do you call um — holistic therapies. Well, I didn't convert. I have been a a a holistic therapist or you name it my entire life because I'm a third generation of health practitioner practitioners. My grandma was actually from the United States — proudly a southern lady. — She was from Louisiana and Texas and she was a nurse and she was a herbalist and she taught my mom and my mom taught me in terms of herbs. — Is that common in Mexico? because you know that that's becoming more common in the US and certainly in certain pages. Is that something that is fairly common or rare or — It is very common — I would say outside of the United States it's very common even in Europe.

[03:34] — Uh I got to tell you in Vienna Austria the the hospital I was in it it's the akaha in in German language. Uh they if you go to the emergency room they would ask you do you want to have uh normal therapy or do you go alternative the therapy and you choose. — Sounds weird I know but I witnessed it. — Wow. Okay. Yeah. — In those environments do they do they blend both — sometimes which that would be fantastic. It's a salommonic answer for illnesses. — give me an example where in the United States we've missed the boat in terms of taking advantage I shouldn't say taken advantage we we overemphasize traditional medicine when it's very obvious to you that a a a combined or a different approach would make more sense and and let's let's start with kids because in the United States we're well known for giving an antibiotic to a child every time they cough or they can't sleep and what have you. So, can you talk to that a little — I appreciate the question. It's a it's a very wise question.

[04:48] — Yeah, I have five grandchildren, so that's why I'm raising the question. — Wisdom is uh speaking — or asking in this case. Well, uh, instead of just loading these kids with medications who have, for instance, uh, hyperactivity or, uh, sleeping disorders, you name it, instead of doing that, you can you can also help these kids getting rid of all the artificial sweeteners, all the artificial dyes that are in the food. You can get rid of all that. And I can tell you more than 50% of these kids will improve immediately. But they don't do it. I'm very happy that uh what what's I'm very sorry. What's um Bobby Kennedy Jr. just banned like uh eight dyes for food. That's fantastic. You were taking too long in Europe. They already banned it 20 years ago or so. — So, you know, you know, Bobby is really um focused on ADHD and and kids and autism. Is the incidence of autism and ADHD in other parts of the country much lower than the United States? Is it marketkedly different?

[06:00] — It's a fair question. It is. It is. But also, it's I got to be honest, it is biased because in terms of statistics, United States is the best at keeping track of it. The other countries uh kind of uh don't keep track as well as you. Okay. — Isn't there Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't there a stat that like whatever percent number of people have autism in the general US in the Amish communities where they don't, you know, they eat clean, they don't have any vaccines. Isn't it like just almost unheard of? Isn't that accurate? — Yeah, it is. Which means that you're doing something wrong in civilization, — right? In cities, — What are you guys doing wrong? I I don't know exactly, but I know a couple of things. Uh you're taking too many artificial things in your food. That's to begin with. I'm I'm referring to children, of course. You guys take so much sugar. So much. That's outrageous, shocking for me. I don't get it. Why?

[07:07] Why do you do it? And well also if I make if I may uh make a mild criticism to United States, you guys usually hand over your phone to your child instead of uh educating him. This is what is educating your children nowadays. I don't think that's healthy. If you looking to King Charles from England or uh well um what's the name of of his daughter and son? Kate — she banned cell phones cell phones to his children. That's lovely. We should do that too. — Or at least limit them, right? They don't need to be on them all day for — Yeah. They should be just playing on the grass fields and just having fun. — Yeah. It's, you know, it's interesting to me. There's um multiple tech people that don't allow their kids screen time or they really limit like some of the people that are the most responsible for some of these social media platforms and I forget the exact names but I've heard them on interviews on other podcasts and they're like yeah I don't allow my kids to have screens and I'm thinking oh this is fantastic. It's it's you know they know better and they know the dangers and they do it. I I think it's probably no different than the people making these foods full of sugar and all of the, you know, the bad crap that's in the food, right? I I'm guessing they're not — Plus, to toddlers need to interact with their peers, not with this — I I cannot swear, right? I shouldn't.

[08:39] — Go ahead. Whatever. — Not interact with this bloody item. — They need to interact with their peers. — that is a um it has become a bit of a movement among the 30some um moms and dads. So, it is moving in the United States where they're getting into gentle parenting um avoiding TV, you know, as a my generation in particular, maybe Randy as well, the the television was the babysitter. Um, at my daughter's house, my both daughters and my son, they're they're very limited on their screen time and they're very conscious about, you know, the I they use the iPads for education. If he's on the if he's on the iPad, it's he's doing math, he's doing English, um, spelling and what have you. They're all bel, you know, eight years old or younger. So, there is a bit of that movement. Um but the excuse that we give in the United States is that there is a segment of society that is um they can't get to that because they're dual working families. They may come from a lower income. They live in food deserts where they can't get whole foods or the whole foods are so darn expensive that they can't afford it. Uh and so forth. I think that's that's an excuse that hopefully over in the near term we can start to um move that move that away. You know, this this person that's running for mayor in in uh New York talks about um governmentr run grocery stores. Probably not a great idea, but his intent is correct. Is to put a grocery store in an impoverished neighborhood where they can get Whole Foods, you know. So, his intent is right. his e execution may may or may not be. That remains to be seen.

[10:34] So I I I'm a bit optimistic actually um of where where we're headed. But uh while we have you, I just curious the the juosition of our vaccine approach for children because again my just had a granddaughter and they they've got her scheduled for I think 30 odd doses of vaccine over some short period of time. How does that compare with the rest of the world? I I beg your parent 30 shots — 30 shots somewhere between 20 and 30 shots I won't I'm certain of it's greater than 20 it may not be quite 30 but over before she enters into the first grade which is going to be in five or five and a half years that that's the course of events in the United States that's way too much way too much uh too much uh burden on the immune system I would say and it has uh implications and it reverberations and consequences in their immune system. We don't want that.

[11:37] It's way too much. Uh I would encourage our distinguished viewers to boost your children's immune system by making them strong, not by um sugar coating — Does that make sense? — Yeah. I mean because you're filling the body with — heavy metals. — Heavy metals. Did you know that? — Yeah. The actual disease. So, — so things like measles, do do you vaccinate in Mexico or in Europe for — Not COVID, I'm sure. — Uh, not mandatory. Yeah. — H how many a kid? So, in this scenario, by the time they're five or six, how many vaccines would they get in Mexico? — It depends, but approximately 15. — That's a lot, too. — Look, it's an undeveloped country. I get it that we want to get rid of many illnesses. Okay. Infectious illnesses. But the United States has no outbreaks of uh — Exactly. Like like we have, — It's insane to have 30 shots of uh vaccine. It's way too much. Plus, nobody is talking about the heavy metals in the vaccine. In order to to create a reaction with the immune system, you need to add the heavy metals.

[12:53] — Mercury, right? — Exactly. Do you want to have mercury in your system? I don't think so. — Right. Mercury poisoning is a thing. And is it like is it all vaccines? Is it what percentage of those vaccines do you think have mercury in them? — I have no I'm not expert and I'm no expert in terms of vaccines. So I I couldn't I wouldn't be able to to answer your question, but I know many has it. Many have mercury. — Wasn't this one of the things RFK was doing was taking the mercury out of the vaccines? Am I mistaken on that? I don't know that — I know he's talked about it, but I feel like one of the things he's accomplished in the last six months or whatever is he banned mercury from the vaccines. Now, I don't know that it's gone into effect because sometimes the government says, "Hey, we're going to do this and then it's 3 months, 6 months, a year or whatever before it actually happens." — We need to look into that topic. — I I I I respect him very much. He's very courageous and brave. — You can disagree with him. I get it. He has some testicles. — No, he he definitely does. He's he's been braver than almost anybody else — You know, people forget um he's my age and I grew up in Massachusetts. He went to different schools than I went to, but his first role out of college was to help provide heating oil for lowincome people. So he started a company where he was buying heating oil and selling it at below market rates to people that couldn't afford things. His heart is in the right place. That's that's my point about it. And everything he's done, his heart has always been in the right place. As you said, you can argue, fight the science, you know, methodologies and all that, but I'll take the guy with heart any day. Just I'll start there and we'll work the other stuff out because you start with the right intent. You know, only good generally can come from that.

[14:55] — Yeah. So, I didn't mean to be make it a thing about Bobby Kennedy, but — you know, having grown up at the same time with him and with the same kind of environment and um well, not the same environment, his environment was a little bit different tragic for sure, you know, when you think about it. Um but yeah, and I think hopefully, you know, he'll he's he's become a catalyst for a change. Well, to your point, Anthony, it it occurs to me, you know, as Liz was talking about the pharmaceutical companies and the food and all that stuff, right? Why is that stuff in there? And you're talking about he's coming at it with the heart, whereas my feeling is all of this poison and this crap that's in our food. They're not putting it in because they think it's good for people. I don't even think they are putting it in because they want to poison people. I just think it helps them make a few extra million dollars and therefore they're incentivized for their own personal gain and it while they may not want to poison people, they're okay poisoning people if they get rich. It seems like the exact opposite of what you're talking about with RFK.

[15:58] — I would like to quote the Greeks ded folks won't get it, but I distrust the Greeks even when they bring gifts. So I am quite suspicious in terms of all the food with the artificial flavors and dyes and sweeteners and so on so forth. I distrust the the food industry. I think at some point they make it deliberately. They they add these these ingredients to cause some harm because if you go down the rabbit hole sometimes the same shareholder of these companies is the same as the pharmaceutical. So I'm quite suspicious. — Yeah. and as as we should be, right? I you know, I I think about like the high fructose corn syrup and you can follow that back to incentives. So, the way the American presidential election system happens, the first state that has its what do you call it primary caucus, whatever they have is the state of Iowa. — Yeah, I know.

[17:00] — Well, Iowa is a huge I think the biggest or you know corn producing state. — So, what did they do? the the government, Republicans and Democrats, this isn't one party or the other, they both are incentivized to make programs for those corn farmers because that's how you you can't take those away and then win Iowa. And so Iowa, while it seems like this little state with very few electoral votes, it has a lot of power because it always goes first. It sets the stage. Everybody wants to say they won the they won the first primary, so they both cater to that farm thing. Well, you can't if all of that high fructose corn syrup is they're just incentivized to stay in power. They're incentivized to give farmers incentive to produce it, turn it into it, and put that junk in our food. Same thing with ethanol, by the way, in our fuel. It's costs more money to make lower quality fuel with ethanol than it does from oil. But they will never take it away or at least not that I see because both parties are incentivized to keep doubling down on it to so that they have a better chance of winning Iowa.

[18:05] — I need to raise a question. How come Iowa is the uh number one state when it comes to the order of elections? I have no idea. — I think I I don't you know it — it's as a lot of things in America, it's always been that case, right? So, it always had been the Iowa Caucus, which is um a series of social gatherings where people would would will meet in uh veterans halls and city halls and get together as a group of 40 or 50. They will cast their their representative of the the um the population. They cast their votes. It's a very uh uh social environment. It doesn't have a lot of bearing on um the ultimate outcome of the election, but it sets the stage for who's legitimate and who isn't. So, you know, corn is their thing, right? So, that and that's pretty much all they have. So, the farmers who are the soul of the of the country, you have to you have to treat them with respect and dignity, right? So let's treat them with too much respect and too much dignity to earn their favor is how it's approached.

[19:21] Then it moves on to New Hampshire which is a completely different type of state. Their motto is live free or die. So when the politicians go there they talk about freedom of speech and freedom to live your life and so on and so forth. So there's no talk no there's no agriculture. The messaging for those people are different. And as our politicians move from state to state, they find the focal point of that marketplace, if you will, — and they pander to it. And that's what our system is all about is pandering so that we will ultimately uh vote them in into office. And no better example than what just occurred in the last the last election in terms of how to pander to a population. So — yeah, the politicians are trying to buy votes, pure and simple. Like what what is going to incentivize people to vote for them? It's not much different than the kid running for student president that says free ice cream or free pizza or whatever, right? Yes. It's it's whatever free things they can give. And the voters, most people vote their own best interest, right? And so if you're a farmer in Iowa or even if you live in Iowa, you know that a lot of your economy is tied to that. I I think it's safe to say if Idaho was first, Idaho is known for potatoes.

[20:36] — I know. — Then it would be potatoes that they would be finding these uses for, right? And or whatever it is in that state. So anyway, we're we're down which interesting and and so thank you for going with us on a completely different journey here, but — we we enjoy rabbit holes. — Me, too. — I I don't mind. I'm actually right now reading the the biographies of the first 15 presidents of the United States. — Well, tell me about that. What — Andrew Jackson was a badass. — Yes, he was. — He was badass. — Yes. One of the most underrated presidents ever. Tell tell people why. — Well, his uh moto was something like I'm I'm just quoting not very, but something like this. The bank tried to kill me and I killed it. Something like this. That's I mean that's that's the very core of the United States. Freedom being badass — isn't it? — Right. Or — by by the way what he's referring to listeners, if you don't know the story, the founding fathers were very clear that we the government was not going to have a central bank. They were the like Washington, Jefferson, Adam, they all agreed we weren't going to have this.

[21:44] Well, at some point the bankers created the first bank of the United States, I believe it was called. And nobody would go up against him. And Andrew Jackson was the guy that finally he ran on it. He said he was going to do it. They tried to assassinate him. I believe he killed the guy that shot he got shot, I think, but he killed him. And I I forget the whole story, but he was the guy that that killed the Fed. And after that time, America did very very well, right? And you know that that's arguably the best economic period in world history. It's when the middle class was created and a lot of good came and then clearly in 1913 the Fed was created under Wilson and undid everything that he did. But that that's one of the things. So what else? So so Andrew Jackson's a badass. I like that. — Also uh uh his protag James Knox Pulk. — Okay. I don't know hardly anything — from 1845 to I don't know four years he expanded the the country westwards. — He he incorporated Texas and he bought California, Arizona and so on so forth.

[22:51] Also I got I got a great advice that Jackson gave to James Bucks Pulks. Marry the girl who doesn't give you a hard time. Such a great advice, isn't it? — It's hard to argue with. Anthony, you got a comment on that one? — I'm gonna just let that go because um Yeah, we'll just let that one go. — Anthony Anthony has been happily married for how many years? — 46 years. — 46 years. So lovely. Yes. And somehow Jan puts up with him. — We'll just go with that. — So she can't give you too hard of a time. All right. She puts up with you. — All right. What else? This fascinates me. So what? Because look, we have our perspective here, but you coming from Mex I I I always find it interesting wherever I go in the world to find out other people's perspective because you have a very different perspective than people that grew up here, I feel like. So, what are your other what are your other big takeaways from the founding fathers and the first 15 presidents? — Well, to be very honest, our cosmoggony is very different than yours. We're the mix of indigenous people and Spaniards.

[23:55] Our rhythm, our the way we see the world is very different. as Anglo-Saxons. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's just different. — We actually look up to you. That's the the reality. But at some point, we resent the fact that you guys took over Texas and Western United States and we still have a grudge in terms of that. Not me, but the the — Well, I was going to say your your coffee business, which we'll get to at some point, is in San Antonio. I mean, that's the home of the Alamo. — It is. Is that is that like part of your your the spy ring you're going in to to — to take back control? — No. No. No. Okay. — No. By any stretch of the imagination. — No. No. — Well, I'm based in San Antonio because my accountant is there and my lawyer and everything went really smooth to start my business in Texas. I love Texas, by the way. — Truly, I do. — Yeah. What do you love about it? the fact that everybody uh is very proud of the the state to begin with. Also, my grandma was from here — and uh she was a very distinguished lady with a wearing gloves and a hat and very very distinguished.

[25:11] Well, just so you know, a lot of the pride in Texas comes from the Battle of the Alamo and I mean, I'm sure you're aware of that obviously, but but that is so it's very interesting that that Mexico still has a little bit of resentment, but that is where a lot of that pride comes from is the Alamo and the whole that whole battle, right, and Sam Houston and, you know, come and take it and there's a there's a lot of strings to pull on there. Um, I I don't know anything. I I find it also interesting when I asked him. So you talked about reading biographies of the first 15 presidents — and I feel like an American how what percentage of Americans do you think would come in with Andrew Jackson? — I don't think any. I really don't. I I mean it sadly — we've moved away from um educating about our history the the real history. Um it's the good is not covered deep enough. the bad isn't is kind of glossed over. Um, and I think you my personal belief is that that's where knowledge comes from. Knowledge truly comes from what came before you. You know what what actually happened? How did I get here?

[26:22] What's the what what are the circumstances that put me in this moment in time? And how do I use the those learnings to carry me forward? We were joking earlier today about um you know we had a we had a podcast long ago not too long ago that we asked you know what would you tell your 30-year-old self and in rethinking that one of the things I said to Randy was have more respect for my elders and their knowledge and what you what I can learn from them instead of being arrogant I'm I'm Mr. know it all. And that's where that's what history gives you by by understanding how the central bank got developed in 1913 and what it has done since then to devalue the dollar and put us in a inflation a never- ending inflation spiral now being mimicked by the rest of the world. — Right. So, um, yeah, it's it's um it's it's kind of sobering uh that that we would have someone like yourself say, I'm reading 15 biographies about a — it's pretty sobering.

[27:28] — I mean, I you and I both read a lot. — How many How many biographies have you read about presidents? um probably between presidents and the periods associated with the 17 and 1800s probably 20 or 30. — So I'm but I'm probably in the — the far left quadrant of people. — You're in the 1%. — Yeah. I mean Ben Franklin you know uh the uh team of rivals you know all those books. I've read all those and every book on Washington and Jefferson and um they're they're heroes to me. Those people were were heroes and when you stop and think of what they actually did, you know, they just absolutely amazing. But again, we're further off the track. — Well, I I would recommend I would recommend by the way and add to your 15 presidents, Ad Ben Franklin. So, one the best biography I've ever read, I think, is the Walter. — That would be in my top five. Yeah, — that was really really good. And I haven't read nearly as many as Anthony, but the Ben Franklin one, I would add, even though he wasn't a president, I would add him. He he he was a badass, too. So, — founding a founding father, — anything written by Isacson, — that's true, — is worth a read. Anything you just reach up, Walter Isacson, reach up, grab it off the shelf.

[28:45] — Um, he did a Steve Jobs one. I mean, he's just he's just it's eight always 800 pages. — it's the tough part about reading his books. So, let's get to let let's go to coffee. How coffee and collagen. Did this start with coffee or start with collagen? I guess with collagen. Yes. — So, tell listeners why collagen was important to you and why what what was the genesis of this and like why — I noticed collagen works to get rid of sunspots, wrinkles, to have healthy joints and so on so forth, but I didn't like the taste of it. And every single time I have been to the shelf, I have noticed that uh collagen has an artificial taste. They add, I don't know, raspberry, orange, you you name it. Uh taste, but it's artificial. I dislike it. And I get it because collagen tastes nauseating, disgusting. It is to be very honest. I added coffee because I love the taste of coffee. But after reading many many books about collagen, proteins, amino acids, I realized you need um certain amount of minerals and vitamins in order to absorb it. Such as copper, vitamin C.

[30:02] Yet not a single collagen out there in the market has copper. Not a single one. Some have vitamin C, but not a single one has copper. This one has it. — Also, you need to grow your hair. You need um biotin and pantothenic acid. Not a single one has it. Only coffee jen also. Uh what else? You need a zinc to strengthen your bones and your nails. Not a single collagen in the market has it. So uh well supplements ha have uh failed in this uh area and I have read many many books about collagen proteins. That's why I developed this customized product for beauty to to I want to to to boost the customer's self-confidence. Love it. So, okay. Collagen coffee. Just so listeners know, Anthony and I both have a cup right now. Before we started, uh Louis brought us the product. We went and got hot water and we just impromptu made the coffee. We mixed it together.

[31:06] Um, and to me it it's it's a little different than normal coffee, but — I like the taste. You know, my first impression was like, well, this doesn't taste like what I'm expecting, but then I'm like, well, who cares? It it tastes good to me. I don't know your feelings, — No, it's terrific. Is your is your formula patented? — And no, because it's not possible to to to run a patent with it or to register a patent because I am just adding new ingredients to a formula. I I didn't create a new way to develop uh a — You know, my you my wife and I have been putting collagen in our coffee for 10 years now. The blue container, and it's it's pretty benign to have that in there. But, uh this change this is this would change my attitude in the afternoon for my afternoon cup of coffee, which moves away from a black coffee to something with a little bit of flavor. So kudos to you for coming up with this. Now the the question I have has to do with all the additional ingredients. What does that add in terms of expense, production expense, you know, if someone's going to produce the standard collagen that they produce today in that blue container you see on every shelf at Whole Foods and what have you, you know, let's say it cost, you know, $100 for five pounds to produce it. What is what's the impact of all you know all these extra vitamins on your production cost?

[32:35] — It's a good question. It doesn't uh raise the the price to the consumer a lot. It doesn't may probably $2, but I mean it's uh reasonable, I guess. — Yeah. So, you're getting you're getting uh the value out of it. — Yes. Not not a single collagen out there has it formula as complete as this one. And I have many testimonials. Well, I I got to apologize to your audience because English is not my first language, but I'm trying my best. — You're doing you're doing great. No you're you seem you Okay, let me ask better question. Would you say it's safe to say that the average collagen product out there people are just wasting their money because it doesn't have that and they're getting very minimal impact or maybe they're not fully wasting but is it 0% 10% 50% what it should by adding all this other stuff? How much more effective does that make it?

[33:36] — Exactly right on the money. They're not wasting their money but they're not um absorbing everything. I run a test with a third party lab in order to demonstrate that it can be absorbed by the human gut. Yet not a single collagen out there has a a test like this. This product has it. Um yeah, I would encourage everybody everybody to to read. Don't trust me. Just trust the science and read upon the product and and the science behind it. — So you have you have a great product. What's your go to market strategy? How are you going to how are you going to get the word out? How are you going to get this on the shelves at Whole Foods? How you going to, you know, expand this uh the reach and the brand here? — It's a great question. Uh well uh I um presented the product to Kahi. Are you familiar with this company? — It's the biggest distribution company uh for uh food and natural supplements in America. They have like 16 or 17 uh warehouses nationwide. It's huge. It's a whale. Kei ke.

[34:45] And the the purchasing manager told me, "You know what? I love it. This is this is it." And this lady told me, "Uh, if you present me with sache, individual packaging, I'll place you in many retail stores. I'll I'll take care of it." So, that's my first move. Another one is that I want to um team up with That's that's that's I have to do it. It's crucial, essential. — Also, I'm going I'm teaming up with a company that helps uh companies like mine to place our product in uh Costco. My goal is to have it in in Costco in uh in in two years. — That would be great. — 2027. You know, this is going to sound like I'm playing up to you, but last week on the counter at home, I found two a coffee, a collagen mix of some sort that my wife was putting into hot water.

[35:52] And I'm pretty sure it was coffee and collagen and some other vitamins. So, the advice to put it in a sache where it's a single serve and they people can take it on the road, they can take it to work. Um, probably a really stroke of genius by that person to to tell you that. And she's on top of everything new, which I'm sure your wife is too because you know, our wives are very similar in terms of their approach to health. Um, so that's interesting that they want to do that. Now, when when they do that to you, do they requ how how much how much do you have to front them? In other words, most of the time you develop a new potato chip, Whole Food says, "Great. We'll we'll put your potato chip on the uh shelf, send us 500 cases, and we'll see how it does. We'll let you know how it goes, and if they go, we'll pay. If they don't go, come and get them." Do you are you in that position now as you expand your — I'm going to expand step by step. — Okay. We we agreed upon that Ki and I that we will expand just uh very very very baby steps which which is healthy.

[37:01] — Do you have um financial backing behind you? You have any investors behind you — just my business partner and I — just from my own pocket. I keep a very frugal life. I don't waste my money in I don't know rubbish. Uh, I don't, believe me, I'm very — Okay, back to the and I I bet I think Anthony has more questions here, but why I mean, why was it why was collagen the the so important thing versus everything else? Let's I want to go deeper into that like because because there's a lot of ways you can go with health and nutrition, right? There's endless products. So, let's go deeper into why why college and why it's so you think it's so important as a doctor. Most of the folks out there on the street walking have very low self-confidence. Even even the most beautiful women on the street, I can tell you they have low self-esteem. They do because they didn't uh they they were not able to be the supermodel or they were not able to work on Hollywood or because they were not able to marry the successful businessman or whatever. Everybody has some some frustration behind themselves. Everybody has um a little bit of u low self-esteem and if the the moment they uh improve their uh beauty that improves their self-esteem and I can I can tell you that changes their lives the way they behave the way interact with children with their uh spouses. So that's my goal to improve their uh self-confidence.

[38:40] — All right. Sorry I don't want I just want I think you have more questions. I got a feeling over here. — It's not so much questions. It's more um around the the overall impact of the rest of the diet. I mean taking coll having collagen delivered in the most efficient way possible is terrific but if you don't maintain a generally healthful diet really is not going to your skin's not going to get better and you're not your bones aren't going to get stronger or stay strong and as as the case may be. So, are you working on any of that in terms of the way this should be used? Is there any messaging you plan to use to to talk to people about how they should be approaching their overall health? — Exactly. On social media, I'm launching new videos uh constantly in order to customers and potential customers because they also need to exercise. They need to to breathe in and out. They need to do many many things in order to not only for collagen to actually work but to to be happy to thrive in life.

[39:46] How are you finding um your experience as you recruit might not be a great word but to um draw influencers into your sphere and and get them to utilize. What's what's your experience been so far with that? — The thing is that I have not done it. Not yet. So I couldn't I couldn't say anything about it. Okay, — I will do it next year in 2026. — Yeah, just a piece of advice or a bit of experience with that as I've done that in the past. They're going to make the distributors of the product seem like they're charitable. They generally want a lot for their reach, their purported reach that they have. And um what we found in our research was while they might have a million followers, their reach and their impact is fleeting. It comes it go it goes away just as fast as it goes. It's like when you uh a soccer team pays too much for a particular player. They come in now they're rich. They don't seem to score the goals like they used to. you know, things kind of they go. That's it's a it's a um it's an area fraught with uh both disappointment and then if something goes wrong with that influencer, they get themselves sideways in the public eye, your product is uh tied to that person forever. So, it's just a word of caution. It's not as simple as it — Okay. Um the the the case history is to try to find the upandcomer, not the person at the top of the totem pole, if you will.

[41:35] — So the person that's building, you know, 5,000 followers a month, grab them when they're down here, and then ride them to the top because your approach to business is very wise is to, you know, to walk before you run. The same thing goes, you know, don't go after uh never mind. I won't use his name. He's going after Mr. Beast. — Mr. Beast. Yeah, Mr. Beast would be great. Mr. Beast, — you're going to have to sign your life away to get Mr. Beast. — Um, so anyway, it's — I I don't know who at number two. I'm pretty sure he's number one. I don't know who number two is. — Yeah. But doing more of this, um, you know, and finding those upand cominging people and, you know, helpful people and I think is very wise. — Well, and you're good at this. Like you can go you like you've just flowed. I mean, we we've I I mean, we started out with coffee and we're talking about founding fathers and, you know, I mean, we we've been all over the place. So, that's great. — I hope you don't mind. I I I love the I mean, what the founding fathers did. It's just fantastic. Truly, it is. No, — it was the example. You You guys set the example for France for the French Revolution. When when was the the the war? 1776. Well, the Declaration of Independence was 1776, but — the the the French Revolution was 1789.

[42:54] You guys did it before the French and they are so, you know, posh about being the the flagship or or the number one. No, you guys did it before everybody — Yeah, but they didn't have a plan after they after they seized control. They didn't they didn't have a plan. They ended up back where they were before the revolution. So, — it's because they didn't have they didn't have Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Adams. They didn't have that group of people. I mean, I I will also tell you the American thing could have played out a whole lot different if it weren't for George Washington, right? Because he was the unanimous choice and to be king. They they they said we would like to elect you king and Washington said I don't want to be king and then they made him a president. Right? And but the wisdom from that group of men and forget the sacrifice and how many of them actually died that we don't know their names because they died in the war or because you know they were considered traitors to the British. But the fact that Washington was humble enough and didn't want to be king completely changed history. Yeah.

[44:03] — Right. Uh and then even they would have just kept electing him president forever and he's the one that said no two terms is enough and I don't think he didn't like doing it. He wanted to go back to you know — Yeah. And he went broke by the way. That's the other that's the other thing that disgusts me now. These politicians that make 170,000 a year and they got 30 40 50 million net worths from insider trading. And again it's Republicans and Democrats both. Nancy Pelosi gets the most crap about it, but and make but there's plenty of people that that are terrible at it. Washington basically went almost bankrupt. Right. — Right. I mean, he cuz he didn't have somebody to run. What was the plant? What what what is it called? Not anyway, there's a name, whatever the estate was. But he went he went really I mean pretty much went broke fighting the war and being away from away from his business for that long. — Yeah. Mount Vernon. — Mount Vernon. There you go. Yeah. So, yeah. I mean that I like I like the way you put it. You said Andrew Jackson's a badass. They were all They were all badasses. So, yeah. Um, what else do you want people to know about this coffee?

[45:12] What else? Uh, I mean, but well, let's if they want it, what do they do? They go to your website. — They can go to my website, uh, — and we'll put that in the show notes as — Ah, great. Yeah. — And the you see a I'm gonna bring a very uh sophisticated word. It has a say escipidelian word, a very long word, cafilen. We we're going to change it for just coffee genen. Simple. — It's already registered uh brand at the US patent office. Uh yeah, it's going to be on the shelf next year, 2026, thanks to Khei the the — Okay. But right now, they can get it on your website. They can mail ordering — Is this is this your full-time effort or are you still practicing medicine? — I still practice medicine. Uh I'm also on real estate in San Antonio, Texas.

[46:16] And I'm a I'm a busy B. I think that's the term in English. — Yeah. But I'm I'm a medical doctor. I I practice and I assess patients pretty much every day. — What's the real estate strategy that you — Flipping. That's what I do. I buy uh old houses. I remodel them and sell it to the highest bidder. — How long you've been doing that? — Eight years. — Okay. What got you into that? — opportun opportunity or just I mean a lot of times look a lot of businesses I've been in, they just all of a sudden it was there in front of me and I next thing I knew I was in a business, right? — my brother and I wanted to invest in something. We had some money liquidity and we uh found this uh um how how can I say this? This expo in my city and some people came to our city to the expo and offered us this possibility and I said you know what that sounds very cool to to to flip houses in in America, San Antonio, Texas. And I said, "Let's go to to uh to the event and let's talk to the people." And so we did it and it has been profitable so far.

[47:26] — And you got multiple homes in process now. The recent real estate difficulties — Not at the moment. I already I rent them because at the moment uh the real estate business is not that good. — Right. Yeah. We found that with a lot of builders that are stuck holding on to their homes and so forth. — Yeah. for the last, I don't know, two years or so, but it will change. I'm I'm — Randy and I have uh handed a home improvement business. So, maybe we could talk about that uh when we're done here. — You can see Anony's mind. — One of the one of the many things that we're involved in that we shouldn't be. wisdom you want to share with our listeners or anything anything else you want to make sure people know before we sign off here? — I will quote my idol Henry Ford. If you believe you can achieve something, you are right. If you believe you cannot achieve something, you are right too.

[48:30] — Love it. Great way to fantastic way. — So, Louis, thank you so much. Uh listeners, again, look at the show notes or go to the website. Again, it is with two ends brothers or or br.com uh to order the product. The product tastes great. And uh as always, go to your podcast app, download, subscribe, tell your friends, uh check us out on the website for free tools. Thank you for listening and everybody have a fantastic day. — Great job. Thank you. wherever you get your podcasts. Click follow for more content like this or go to talesofabundance.com to join our community and get free tools.